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Morten Rasmussen Celtic newsHaving had a look over the size of our squad, I feel that we are pushing towards a number that is getting a bit silly.

This article gives my thoughts on loan players going out from Celtic to other clubs, why I think it’s a bad idea and what I think should be done instead.

Most years, we let some of our younger players go out on loan, they tend to come back, go out on loan again, then come back then leave for another team.

I know it must be a horrible job to have to tell a player that they have no future at the club – especially when it’s a younger player but I think the club maybe need to be a bit more ruthless on this front.

Over the last few years, there haven’t been very many beneficial loan deals. By that, I am referring to players going out on loan from Celtic.

Either the players are good enough or they’re not, that call is up to the coaching staff to make. Would they pick them regularly in the first team? Can they do a job if a guy one ahead of them is suspended or injured of has a loss of form? If not, get rid of them.

I know we have had a bit of a mixed bag as far as incoming loan players are concerned – Craig Bellamy did well, Robbie Keane won nothing but also did well.

Edson Braafheid and Diamansy Kamara- did they enhance our team? I don’t think so.

My main gripe is the number of young players who are given the false hope of going out on loan then come back to find out that they are not going to be good enough for our first team.

I’ve highlighted a few guys over the past few years who have gone out and loan but should have been sold sooner.

Niall McGinn – You could argue all day whether or not you think he is good enough, maybe the death threats affected him this year and I can fully understand why.

Prior to the death threats, McGinn wasn’t a regular starter, when he came off the bench, he wasn’t the type of player who you’d look at and think that he’s a potential match winner. Even as a starter, he was a decent enough player but never really looked a stand out, I can’t remember many man of the match performances.

Now, I’m not saying that a player has to be putting in man of the match performances but I feel that McGinn, at a few weeks short of his 24th birthday, isn’t likely to become a regular for us so why punt him out on loan?

Next up is Graham Carey, signed from Shelbourne in 2005, played v Rapid Vienna in Europe and was never to be heard from again.

Instead of someone at Parkhead making the decision to move him on or sell him, we sent him to Bohemians, St Mirren and Huddersfield on loan and then he left to sign for St Mirren.

I could go on all day but I don’t want to bore you with too many examples but another one that I can’t understand is Darren O’Dea, like most players who have pulled on the hoops, you can argue all day whether or not he’s good enough.

Darren played 49 first team matches for us, moved to Reading on loan and played eight times then was shifted out to Ipswich and made a further 20 appearances. Now we are hearing that he no longer has a future with the club.

Morten RasmussenMorten Rasmussen and Jos Hooiveld are another two guys who, at their age, should be playing first team football. For reasons unknown to me, things haven’t worked for either of them at Parkhead. Most teams just sell them and let them get on with their careers but we don’t.

The point that I am making is that players going out on loan, in recent times, really has not benefited our club in any way so why bother? Is it just a case that the club are unsure of the abilities of the players? Is it the case that the guys going out on loan are very close to being first team players and just need a little bit extra added to their game?

Unlike most blogs I’ve written on here, I do actually have quite a viable solution this time so I’d like to hear your opinions on what I am saying.

I would love to see Celtic enter a team into the lower leagues of Scottish football. If, for example, we were able to enter a team into the second or third division, we could have age restrictions on the players that could be used or say that the players in the Celtic B team cannot play for the first team for the season.

Almost the same as them being out on loan – once they are gone, they are gone.

I would be more than happy to go and watch a Celtic B team play in the lower leagues if the first team were playing at a different time which does happen a lot.

The club could even make cash from it – something like a TV channel showing all first team matches as well as B team matches – similar to the way that Celtic TV used to work before we lost Setanta.

In Spain it happens, Barcelona have a second team playing in the lower leagues, they cannot be promoted but surely doing that must be a better option than sending young guys on loan to some obscure team down south.

To summarise, I think someone, I don’t know who, at Parkhead should be making the decision to sell some players instead of loan so many of them out – especially when they are in their mid/early twenties.

I know we have a “development squad” I’m not so sure what the point of that actually is so it’s time to scrap the development squad and get a second team into the lower leagues.

From there, if the players are not doing well enough in the lower leagues, it’s an easier decision to move them on. If they are a stand out in the lower leagues, then the next step would be to get them involved in a couple of friendlies or training sessions with the first team.

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  • David says:

    A few possible reasons why we loan them out:

    – We are looking for too much money for them and (like us with Bellamy and Keane etc) the loaning club can’t afford to purchase the player outright
    – The other clubs don’t want to splash the cash on a gamble; an unproven player.
    – Following on from the first one, the player has years left of their contract making it expensive to buy them, but we get them off the wage bill and they get the player for a year, and it is then a year closer to the end of their contract = cheaper
    – Or could it just be no-one wants to buy them!

    Better off the wage bill at any rate

  • Joe McHugh says:

    I think a lot of the loan issues is down to Tony Mowbray.

    Too many players brought in that have been quickly discarded by Lenny and clogging up the club, you forgot- as many had- Josh Thompson.

    At centre back we have Dan, Charlie, Loovens, Rogne, Hooiveld, O’Dea, Thompson and Kelvin Wilson.

    If players can’t be sold they’ll be loaned out, also gives any emerging young players an outside chance of getting a game.

    It might take till this time next year to get the squad down to a manageable level.

    I’m sure everyone at Celtic would love to see a Celtic B side in the lower divisions but politics suggests that the SPL, SFL and SFA will never allow it to happen.

  • jbhoy says:

    Loaning players out young players to bring them back for another look isn’t the worst system in the world given there isn’t a Celtic B team nor reserve team.

    It provides a income stream to keep Celtic at the front of young Scottish talent and it also helps youngsters see that even if they are not good enough for Celtic that they won’t get cast aside, this helps keeps the quality of the youth team high, which helps players that do break through, such as Maloney, McGeady, McManus, Forest etc.

    Lets not forget that we brought in money for McManus, and it helps ensure new managers are not hampered by their forerunners mistakes as wages are kept relatively low. I’m sure most of us thought O Dea, Hutchinson, and Caddis would come back better players, unfortunately they didnt but at least we got them off the wages for a year and we got a fee for Caddis and Ferry.

    Big Ras will get a chance, he scored 8 goals in 15 appearances on loan last season, and a similar return in the SPL would be welcome, and Jos may have a better pairing with a Wilson or Mulgrew.

    Really wished they’d sort it out so Celtic could put in a B team in the lower leagues though, maybe they feel it would ruin those leagues but I’m sure they could enforce an age limit or Scottish quota.

  • colin garvey says:

    this seems a great idea but am sure it was brought up a few years ago and shot down by the league but I am with you in this as it would be best way for our younger talent to develop

  • bhoylondon67 says:

    This came up a while back and i remember a lot of lower league managers were saying it was a great idea, they were thinking it would add an edge to the lower leagues and would help teams out financially with higher attendances. SFA managing to organise something like that though? Not likely.

  • celtdavy says:

    A few points fringe players at Celtic are probably on bigger wages than the clubs taking them can afford same as us with (Bellamy and Shay Mc)so the advantage is getting all or some of there wages off the paybill for a period.

    Also the players who have went on loan have not set the heather on fire as the clubs loaned to in most cases never played them regularly and passed them back to us asap eg Rassmussen started well in Germany but lasted six games or so, only then to go back out on loan to Denmark so maybe he is not the player Tony thought he was.

    One last point if Tony thought these guys were good enough for Celtic I wish he still rated them and signed them for M’bro

  • Mojiebhoy says:

    How about another option. Setup some kind of feeder club in europe were we could send 5 or 6 lads a year to play for them. Even have a coach of our picking. This way the lads still get coached by one of our own and play together in a competitive environment.

    Better yet, how about America? Real Madrid sponsor Real Salt Lake and a Mexican team sponsor Chivas USA. Maybe we could do something similar and loan our lads there. Also help us get a foot in the american market and maybe sign some upcoming young players from here.

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